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flight asiaasia 8501 has gone missing. amazing that this has happened again. let's get the latest on the search efforts from david piper. david. >> hi, howie. yes, airasia's chief executive tony fernandez has been holding a news conference in indonesia. he flew there immediately after the plane went missing. he said at the news conference the pilot did radio in that they were facing severe weather. he also said the pilot had 20,000 hours flying experience, 6,000 with airasia. he didn't, though, have any news
on the whereabouts of the plane. the search for the missing aircraft has been suspended at the moment because of the bad weather here in southeast asia. the region has been hard hit by heavy rains in recent days, causing severe flooding in nearby malaysia. indonesia air traffic control lost contact with the plane over 12 hours ago. the airasia flight was on its way from surabaya indonesia to singapore. it had 167 people on board. the vast majority of those were indonesian. the airbus 320 was on its way over the java sea when it disappeared. it's been looked for so far without success. they expect to go out at first flight again. >> david piper, thanks very much for the update. we'll be following that story and morale day. now to the rest of our program,
the singaporean began took after two police officers were shot and killed while sitting in their police cars. suddenly, there was lots of impassioned debate over who else was to blame. >> we've had four ms. of propaganda starting with the president that everybody should hate the police. >> you know, what we've learned over the years is that when someone like al sharpton injects himself into rationally contentious situations, people tend to get killed. >> you blame the mayor and others. t not what we need. i have instructed our attorneys. last night, i began receiving threatening phone calls. >> so are the media playing an inflammatory role here? and what about mayor de blasio attacking the press? mercedes schlap is joining us
michael temansky. so what do you make of the whole media debate, the whole argument that some people have blood on their hands over these shootings? >> well, if that were true, wouldn't some in the media be likewise guilty for the sort of thim thing they put on the air? i think the ones that commit violence are responsible for the violence. but there is a delicate balance. people do look to their leaders for signales and cues which are sometimes misread. i don't think any leaders meant to telegraph that it was okay to hurt police officers. i don't think the administration was towards inciting violence. but after ferguson happened, the president and the attorney general did not come out after the grand jury decision and say in strong terms that maybe they disagree with certain aspects, but they supported the grand
jury. things have been explained they supported the system. they fell short of endorsing the situation. >> when you have rudy jeelly annie, a former converted felon talking about blood on the hands, is it fair? >> what's happening is you're seeing an emotional double. this is escalating. racial tensions in the city. the mayor has not been able to find that right balance between talking about the police officers and as well as dealing with the demonstrations. >> what about the media's responsible for giving these people a platform? >> he's in a position where he's trying to figure out that right balance. it's very easy for all the
politicians to go after mayor de blasio, but in the end, we need to be forward thinking. what's going to be happening next? how is he going to create that bond and calm the city down? >> when you think about the way the media have framed this story and going back again to former mayor giuliani. we've had propaganda that earn should hate the bliss. >> i haven't seen barack obama say that and i don't think anyone has seen barack obama say that. hourch, i was a recorder in new york city for a long time. and you were, too. that tack r tabloid culture is rough and tumble. it will high lie tensions and make it much tougher and much starker in cities that don't have tabloid newspapers.
>> if you have a sports team that is losing and the manager gets pupilbled, the mayor gets pupilbled. >> that's right. and it heightens this and brings it into much darker relief than it would in a city that doesn't have this kind of media. and it needs polls. it needs procop anti-cop. >> my explain is that both sides do this in time of tragedy. i ripped keith olbermann and some other pundits who said it's sarah palin ate fault. i don't think that it was right then and i don't think it's right now. to tie it to two murders by a crazy guy seems to bhe to be over the line. >> it's somewhat inflammatory.
i go back to look at what happened in ferguson. the misrecording that occurred in the beginning, the incorrect narrative that formed,. >> and michael brown was an incident victim. >> yes. >> who we only much later learned attacked officer darren wilson in his police car. >> if some of those things had been known earlier, i wonder if things would have gotten as out of hand as they had. >> it doesn't help when the politicians throw themselves in there. president obama came over on the 24th afterthe michael brown killing saying the media has a responsibility. the violence makes for good television. that in and of itself is something that the media has to
look at and say they want to present the story, but with michael brown, i agree. they went forth and they said he put his hands up and went with that narrative. >> in new york city, you have a lot of this driven by the culture created by the daily news and the new york post. for cable division you book guests with different opinions and they go at it. isn't that part of what's going on here? >> i think when you look at the media itself, they did take an initial role where they went with that narrative of basically saying he probably put his hands up. in the case of eric garner, you did have the video. i think they were a lot more unified. >> the way those two cases were treated was streaking. what bothered me is it takes the spotlight off the victims in this case and puts it on war b politicians and puntits.
>> it does. do you have any suggestions for how to change that? no i don't think that can you make a very valid point about cable news. it blurs the line between journalists and others. you need a pro and an anti- -- i'm not saying you personally. i mean cable news needs a pro and an anti-and they don't necessarily have to be and usually aren't report ded. >> i understand opinion cells and conflict cells. at times like this i wish we could take a slightly more enlightened approach. mayor de blasio in a press conference went after the media. >> what are you guys going to do? the few who want conflict attempt that and fortunately so many times you guys enable that. i don't see reports on the many
decent good people. i don't see reports on the every day cops who do the exemplary thing and show initiatives no matter what invektive is turled at them. >> does the mayor have a point? >> he's saying he didn't see positive stories on police officers doing good things was he holding a press conference and highlighting positive stories on police officers that have done positive things? i think there's plenty of blame to go around but i think that's misplaced for him to be lecturing the media. >> you said you all when talking to the journalists in that room are portraying those protesters chanting like horrible cops and the kkk as the majority. i don't care that's true, but we do tend to gravitate towards the most extreme voices. is that true? >> yeah, that is true.
however, there is no profit for a mayor for any politician to be doing that. you're not going to win that fight. >> and al sharpton i've said this blood on the hands things shouldn't extend to him. however, the mayor asked all the protesters to delay any more demonstration until after the police fuel ral and sharpton says no. >> exactly. he wants to be everything, a jack-of-all-trades. and al sharpton, if he wants to be the nation's next self-rights leader by causing friction in a city that's suffering it's at a point for al sharpton to put himself in a position where he's basically saying we're not stopping the protests, we're moving forward and not respecting these flan officers and their families.
>> sharnl, we'll see you a little later and we'll keep you posted on the missing airasia flight as we try to get more information on about what happened with that plane. ahead, whether the media went too far in scaring the country over ebola. when we come back did sony cause media to flip-flop and show its controversial film on christmas day? so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches? 24/7 it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates.
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coupling the area. meanwhile, relatives of the 162 passengers on board are waiting for some word any word of the plane's fate. we will bring you all the developments this hour and throughout the day here on fox. sony pictures completed its flip-flop this week, making its controversial film available in a few hundred theaters and online after insisting it couldn't do either of those things. after seth rogen showed up at one holiday premier and greeted the audience with an "f" bomb open. mercedes sony said we can't possibly put it into theaters. we have no plans to release it online and does a complete 180 and does both of those things. they said the president didn't understand, the press didn't understand, does sony need to admit it made a mistake here. >> they didn't want to touch it. in fact, anyone in the business,
they don't want to get near those. it's very toxic. i think for sony what's been difficult is that they haven't been able to really come up with a very strong price of communication center. they just hired judy smith, which is the scandal in fire olivia hope character. we have a natural government going after us. the hackers going after us and they're basically the victims of the cyber attack. >> do you think sony did a 18 0 because of the media criticism about how had caved? >> i think if main reason they did it is they started to smell the odor, they got it into the theaters. >> they're going to lose truck loads of money on this? i think there was media pressure. >> hole lewood people sending out about how crave sony was and everything.
>> i can't argue that it may have been in part a financial decision trying to recoup it. in all of this there was one interview given by sony pictures ceo on cnn. would you have advised the company that was the way to go? >> absolutely not. i think there is where you have an opportunity to do a press conference where you're able to really reach out to him. >> i think that's more broad and explain what sony was going through, the impacts that the employees were having you know i think that there was an opportunity for them to really come out strong and explain the seriousness of the situation. >> you're saying it shouldn't have just been on cnn? >> i would have encouraged fox, quite frankly. >> has this all set a precedent that if hackers don't like some media product they can get into the e-mails and intimidate a company and make that company -- >> i'd like to say no, but i think i have to say yes.
>> we live in a world where the legal departments have too much power and they're always going to advise you to take no chance. >> quite frankly, we need the government to be involved in this process. clearly, there is a room for bipartisan legislation. >> mere say december michael, thanks very much. ahead, as fox news conference the missing plane from air asia today we take a look back at why the media went haywire over the disappearance of that malaysian flight 370 back in march. next, why the media exacerbate racial tensions. this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are ya? good. aleve. proven better on pain.
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weather. 162 people are on board the airbus 8320-200 en route to singapore. we will bring you the latest developments this hour and throughout the day as we get them. >> in the wake of the saturation coverage of police confrontations in ferguson and statton island and now the murder of two officers in brooklyn, the media have been consumed by two racially charged issues. fox news convicter frank luntz raised this with a group at cbs. >> i need to ask you are race relations in america getting better or getting worse? >> worse. >> worse. >> worse. >> so you go right to politics sfwlp right to politics. >> right to politics. >> because we have a president who has made everything political. >> walk down this street and the police can see me and kill me. >> that's not even close to being true. i work with the police every day. >> and the mandates basically is
to deter crime. >> and frank luntz joins me now from las vegas. frank, when it comes to these rationally charged stories how much are the people that you talk to influenced by the media coverage? >> i think it's significant. and you can tell in the passion and the fact that they go right to politics. i blame the politicians first. because that's where they go to first. i didn't tell them -- we had not mentioned the word barack obama at all. and it was brought up by the group instantly. the second thing that they will complain is that whatever they watch, they think there's a media bias depending on what network, what program they're watching. and they always assume that based on what they're watching, the other side isn't telling the truth. so we can't have a simple, normal conversation about an important issue because it just seems like that -- what is being said is deliberately done to provoke. >> so you're saying that people who watch fox news or msnbc, for example, feel that the other
channel or another source that's on the left or the right isn't giving them the full picture, so everybody has their own set of what they believe are the facts? >> and that is the problem. it's that we don't watch news any more to inform us. we watch news to basically agree with what we already believe, to reinforce. so you saw that, you saw the intensity there. if there was one issue that we should be able to discuss in a civil, quiet meaningful way, it is race relations. and that group is the best group that i have ever done. in fact, howie, i may never do another focus group because they told the truth. they spoke as how they saw it. and the problem was there is no one or nothing that is bringing people together. there are no threads that bring white and black, bring young and old, bring rich and poor, all those threads in one society together and the media used to record on it is now fray. everybody knows, frank, that
black americans and white americans view these issues very differently. a washington post poll out this morning, two-thirds saying ideology plays a role. only 30% of white democrats have that same believe. >> and that ideology. but that is the problem is that we're pulling ourselves apart by every possible way. and it's not just the media. it's social media, the fact that even things we watch on the web, the people we talk to. howie, we did a survey and asked the question, have you lost a friend because of politics? and over half americans say they've lost someone due to police brutality.
this is a fox news alert. a packed airlines carrying 162 people vanishes in severe weather. airasia flight 8501 disappearing early sunday morning. 42 minutes after taking off for indonesia bound for singapore. air traffic control saying the pilot did request a change in the plane's course because of heavy thunderstorms. the airliner lost from radar over the java sea that's between malaysia and indonesia. the aircraft is an airbus 320.
one of the most widely used in aviation today. as we wait for answers heartbreaking pictures of those families waiting helpfully for news on those aboard the plane. darkness forcing a suspension of search and rescue operations. the ntsb saying it is ready to help in the investigation if asked. we'll have more at the top of the hours. i'm eric shawn. >> from the ebola scare to the missing malaysian flight 370, amazeing that we're dealing with another missing plane today, this has been a wild year and sometimes an embarrassing year for the media. that includes plenty of self-inflicted wounds. >> our broadcast today, ebola death in this country. >> it's like -- >> a lot of people have been asking me about that about black holes and on and on and on. but is it preposterous, do you think, mary? >> my favorite theory the 5% theory, is that because of some
secret passenger or some secret cargo, the aircraft was high jacked and landed some place. >> i don't think it was suicide mission. i think this was a well funded high tech hijacked operation and its sitting somewhere in the jungle. >> joining us the media's performance this past year, fred francis, former news media correspondent. david zurich and cherylsharyl attkisson is back with us. fred amazing that we're talking about this on a day when there's another missing plane. but that plane was in march was a tragedy. bogus sighting of debris. >> yeah. is it preposterous that there could be a dark hole? the network talking about stuff like that, that's preposterous. and it wasn't just do you know lemon. it was the producers of cnn, the graphics that went along with
that segment had the twilight zone in it and gone you know, lost. it was a whole -- >> like a bad reality show. >> it was a bad reality show. >> cnn was the network that stayed with it weeks and weeks after most news organizations moved on. >> at that period of time with cnn with a new president, they were doing anything but news. they were looking for new nonfiction formulas. >> it was news, just news nobody could explain. >> except they covered it as world greatest mysteries or one of the reality kinds of shows. and they thought that formula, they're going to of nonfiction programming, this was the one that looked like news, felt like news, but they could treat it like a mystery like 48 hours. what happened to this plane? world's great mysteries in aviation. those kinds of shows that are on the discovery channel. so when you get to don lemon or
somebody sitting there, and actually lemon got worse at one point and said maybe do you think it's something beyond our understanding? >> let me ask cheryl, because a lot of people made fun of cnn and talk about black holes, but the ratings went up. >> but the problem with the argument, if you put on topless anchors to read the news your ratings will go up. but that's not your mandate. at some point, you don't just give people what they want. you have to decide what's news worthy and what's good for your audience. but i would argue some of the problem i had with the wall to wall coverage, there's nothing wrong with asking a lot of questions about this mystery. but what didn't make the news, and i would go so far as to argue there are some gatekeepers occasionally who look for excuses if there are controversies that they don't agree with and they don't want to cover. they look for excuses to cover these weather stories or these general controversies like the plague and they say sorry, we
didn't have time to cover these other stories. >> i hope we get some answers on this missing plane soon and it doesn't turn into another one of these 24-hour day speculation fefts. let me move on to ebola. was the punditry out of control? >> in my view it was not. in my view, it was the only thing wrong with the coverage both television and print was that every story should have started with and ended with you cannot get ebola unless it's transferred through body fluids. >> the deafening volume of all that coverage conveyed the impression that this was an epidemic that was going to rage across the united states. >> they got carried away on some of it, but they could have muted it by doing that.
when dr. nancy snyderman violated the involuntary -- you know, on my -- >> quarantine. >> quarantine. >> and later apologized. >> on my blog 15 seconds, we called it a bone headed move and it was embarrassing for everybody. >> howie, if the purpose of journalism is to give information to people, verified information they need to live better lives, i cannot condemn the media for going full boor on ebola early on. and look it, this is an administration that had given reassurances on other stuff and it wasn't right. we were told the protocols were fine and then we found out they weren't. in a way, maybe media kicked the administration and some of the other folks in the butt and limited some of the damage with
this. i agree with fred, at the end, it went crazy. snyderman, that's one of the reason people hate the press. the press doesn't think they have to follow quarantines and things like that. i think when you look back it's easy to say overkill, but essentially it started out doing its job correctly. >> i still think it got out of control. >> >>. >> you believe there was some benefit? >> i agree with my colleagues. they touched on the idea that there was so much media coverage made the government do a 180 in what it was trying to do to keep ebola out of this coverage. they weren't going to do any of that. >> the big story that i don't think got enough coverage was the midterm elections.
airports in indonesia and singapore awaiting any word on the plane's fate as we all are. fox news will bring you any updates as we get them at this hour and throughout the day. >> we're back with our media report card and perhaps no story sparked as much anger and polarization as ferguson. let's go. you can move. let's move. let move. let's move this here. here's the door. >> the people of new york feeling like they're obviously on their street. >> i'll bust your head right here. >> are you filming this? >> film it. jo give a -- >> it's time to deal with policing. >> those clips reminding me of
the clashes between journalists trying to cover that story after the initial riots and the police in that mother town. looking back how much of an inflammatory role did the media play in ferguson of the aftermath? >> i think one of the things that we saw that was interesting is the tension between gate keep sxers social media even with reporter who worked for a legacy publication. >> like the wall post? >> exactly. that video that shot on an iphone shows you. the reporters and people on the ground, and we saw this in gaza, too. people posting photographs on twitter, raw video finding its way on to the web. that is what we saw there. so i think some of that is going to be inflammatory, i guess, is an okay word for it.
>> what i saw was so many akers and people on television as guests use the word michael brown was murdered. even after the grand jury thing. >> even after there was confirmation? >> it's 2 whole hands up, don't shoot narrative. >> exactly. >> and that got played over and over and over again. very varly did we hear the fact that michael brown, in fact committed a strong armed robbery prior to, which was on video. and i play that jex ta position to what happens in new york why everything was on video. and it was not so inflammatory. still protests, but not riots. >> it doesn't seem many in the media seem too choose up sides on these incidents as they
happen. >> here is a problem, too. if you have 234i experience in journalism at all, when you think something is obvious and i think you have everything nailed down in a developing situation, nine out of ten times, there is something you don't yet now that you're going to be wrong about. things were not couched enough in the ferguson coverage. you were right when you said the police aren't telling their side of the story. isn't it the media's responsibility to point out and speak on what have of those tlp balance. you don't just let one side overrun the other. >> yes yes and yes. let's have a quick once around this. the va scandal was one of those that touched a lot of americans people people were dying. and then the head of the va resigned. did that bother you? >> it does. it absolutely bothers me.
thetory this week about sharon hellman with the board upholding her firing because they took some gifts, some pretty outrageous gifts. but i was so happy to see any coverage howie what happens with the va is an absolute outrage. americans everywhere should be outraged. we tell people would go in the military, we have all these bias things we say to them and we don't give them coverage. worse, the administrators are crooks. they don't do their jobs. >> this happened over and over and over again. there is an ig report covering 2006, 2007. these kinds of stories are going to come and go. i was not upset that this one went away. guess what? it will be back in a year or two. >> but you experienced this when you were a network reporter. and then it sort odd vanishes. >> i in part blame the idea that
i think the administration when they decide the story is done, they quit putting information out about it. the media tends to follow their lead. if they're not handed something on a platter, too often they're nod digging for the information when the agenda is not set before them, they're letting the corporation say this is the story of the day. and worse than that when the head of any agency resigns, the political part of it may be over, but it is not. thanks for helping us with the year in preview. after the break a look at why meem ya credibility continues to crumble and how much of that is our fault.
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they had been flying through severe storm clouds and the last message from the pilot said he was trying to move away from the turbulence. we'll bring you the latest developments as we get them here at fox. we're widening the lens to look at the sinking level of credibility this past year. when you look at the rolling stone rain story, i think that hurts all of our reputations even though we don't work for those organizations. >> i think it does. everybody makes mistakes that's true. some of these are beginning journalism 101 mistakes. hard to believe that basic facts weren't checked. these sorts of things are hard to understand and they're things that a news organization such as yours or cbs i don't think they
would make those sorts of mistakes. they're sometimes lumped in with the rest of us. >> they're also playing a role in breaking stories. the ray rice elevator video. that was broken by tmz which paid for the tape, which i don't approve of as an old media guy, but it certainly was a big story and an important story. >> i think the establishment media as i've talked about in my book has become more hesitant to go after certain stories. there's safety in numbers. >> somebody has to cover it first. >> it is a rolling stone type or a blogger type that uncovers things like that. >> i interviewed on the air rich, an investment advisor. there's still investigative reporting out there.
as you experienced at cws, there is less of it. >> there's less of it. much still around, but it's harder fought. they're having a harder time convincing the gate keepers to do the stories and put them on the air. >> what about people who are leaving who specialize in this kind of thing, or even the "new york times" just went through a big layoff, including a lot of seasoned veterans. >> i would say the obviously investigative reporter at cbs left that unit before i left cbs. lisa myers left. >> two top investigators. >> this is sort of a brain drain, but there's no real concern. i don't think the networks are thinking they've lost something important. they're just as happy to have reporters covering the daily beat news and not saying we need
to dig deeper. >> it's important because it holds people accountable. thanks very much. happy new year. >> you too. >> still to come, your top tweets. rolling stone calls in journal list ik reinforcements and the statement that completely botched a message of a protest against the police. hours but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are ya? good. aleve. proven better on pain.
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when rolling stone's story about the supposed gang rain at the university of virginia collapsed, i said the magazine needed to get an outside jurn list to investigate how it was ever published. the owner breaking a month-long silence has now asked a columbia journalism school to examine the magazine's failure. first smart step of the whole fiasco. >> the fox affiliate in baltimore totally botch add story of a demonstration of police tactics in the nation's capital. >> participants chanted, we won't stop, we can't stop so kill a stop. >> actually it was, until killer cops are in cell blocks. a very different message. they complained about the mistake. wbff said in a statement although last night's report
reflected an honest misunderstanding, we apologize for the error. and a media fail by the huffington post. the website quoted a guy who claimed on twitter to have been an eyewitness but then ran a correction saying this guy backed off his claim of having been there. later saying i was misled, thank you for pointing this out. here are some of your top tweets. do you have more or less trust in the media after 2014. john, less, much less and i work in media. why? ferguson. drops mic. republican committee finding no wrong doing in benghazi. vikings rule, media don't see a story through. affordable care act. another one from vikings rule media add is also a problem.
leaves new cycle short. russia shooting down plane, remember that? i checked his avatar, pop it up there. i don't think he'll be appearing here. that's it for this edition of "media buzz." i hope you had a merry christmas and a happy hanukkah and are enjoying this holiday weekend. thanks for engaging with us this past year as we take a ballanced approach to critiquing the media. check out our facebook page, give us alike and become part of your buzz where i respond to your question and criticism on a weekly basis. we are back here next sunday morning with the latest buzz. stay with fox news for all the developments in the search for airasia flight 8501 as we and everyone else struggle to find out just what happened to that plane. thanks for watching.
we start with a fox news alert. as we have been reporting all morning. that airliner has vanished amid heavy thunderstorms. now the questions today begin. has the aviation industry done enough? right now, the search for the light 8501 has been suspended. it is nighttime in that part of the world. the effort set to resume at someday break. the air bus jet took off sunday morning from surabaya. it was halfway to its destination of singapore when it suddenly disappeared from